Black Magic Weapon Enhanct Wow 3.3.5
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2009-12-09,09:24 PM #1
High Overlord
enchant black magic
was reading that the new tooltip of this enchant is a +250 haste on proc now with a 35 second internal cooldown. thinking of trying this out as haste is going to be more relevent here in the near future. this and the use of a speed potion and a bloodlust will push mutilate rogues weapon speeds into very fast numbers. always have used a speed pot before or after the burn phase on given boss. but now with a extra 500 haste on proc with a 35 second internal cooldown is what is was reading. i see no real reason not to try as soon as possible?
also first trinket im sinking emblems in is
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50355/herkuml-war-token/
also will the trinket
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43573
will it make its way back into a trinket slot and people stack haste
and looks like ill be switching back to raw AP and haste gems again.anyone else looking to do this soon as they possibly can?
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2009-12-10,11:07 AM #2
Field Marshal
Re: enchant black magic
This is actually really interesting, and I haven't been able to find any solid answers on it.
From just what I gather:
- Black Magic's new proc is 250 Haste.
- Rogue poisons activate Black Magic.
- Black Magic has the same internal cooldown and proc rate as Berserking.
- 250 Haste > 400 APIs this better, anyone?
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2009-12-10,11:35 AM #3
The Patient
Re: enchant black magic
It will win when your spreadsheet says so OR your haste has a EP value greater than 1.6. Now I think it most cases the haste buff would win . I cant however remember how it compares to the Mongoose enchant.
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2009-12-10,12:45 PM #4
Keyboard Turner
Re: enchant black magic
In my opinion the best enchant now the Black Magic in T9+ gear for Mutilate
Changes: "Patch 3.3.0 (2009-12-08): This enchantment now sometimes increases haste rating for the caster rather than inflicting the caster's target with a damage-over-time effect. It is also now triggered by landing any harmful spell rather than inflicting damage with a spell."
250 haste rating for 10 sec ( 7,625 % haste )
screenshot from the Buff:
http://noob.hu/2009/12/10/WoWScrnShot_121009_125000.jpgOnly proc in posions and you can enchant into only one weapon. (not stacking)
Screen from effect (two orbiting skulls )
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2009-12-10,01:08 PM #5
High Overlord
Re: enchant black magic
well last night i enchanted my other offhand "lucky enough to have two stygian bladebreakers"
i got some interesting numbers ran unbuffed no flasks no food buff nothing didnt even go stealth to get overkill buff just started my rotation with just mutilate and ran rupture less once i got my HFB going ran with normal dual beserk and then with beserk main hand and balck magic offhand. pulled 5123 dps with blackmagic and 5208 with dual beserks. ran for one min straight then stoppedthe problem with this is now to find out at what point will i benefit from the haste more and will dual blackmagic eventually pull ahead? or at least be on par? i mean fully raid buffed i would like to see what the numbers are. with a shaman in my group with totems the numbers will be interesting
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2009-12-10,01:21 PM #6
Blademaster
Re: enchant black magic
I'm hearing a lot of talk about Black Magic for mutilate rogues. Would combat rogues get it on both weapons or just the offhand?
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2009-12-10,02:01 PM #7
Blademaster
Re: enchant black magic
When/If it becomes viable it'll be Offhand only as they effects don't stack
Originally Posted by Xneon I'm hearing a lot of talk about Black Magic for mutilate rogues. Would combat rogues get it on both weapons or just the offhand?
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2009-12-10,02:56 PM #8
High Overlord
Re: enchant black magic
does anyone know if it stacks with mongoose? never even thought to check actually
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2009-12-10,03:11 PM #9
Keyboard Turner
Re: enchant black magic
I just tried this myself too yesterday night, not being sure if it would even proc.
But as it did, with some simple math, it's uptime is 35/10=3.5
So 250/3.5=71,4
Just multiply this value with your EP for haste and you should see if it's outperform mongoose or berserking for your gear/spec.
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2009-12-10,03:50 PM #10
The Lightbringer
Re: enchant black magic
It does not outperform mongoose or berserking. go to ej.
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2009-12-10,04:05 PM #11
High Overlord
Re: enchant black magic
this was a test to see if it was a decent enchant on my part btw. and at a certain gear lvl/haste % i expect this to replace ur main hand weapon enchant honestly. not sure on the when and what gear but as ur AP and haste increase ur stats will notice a benefit from haste more. was trying some numbers out and at my gear lvl. yes dual beserks were ahead although according to the numbers i got unbuffed and just straight mutilates and envenoms "not from stealth just to get raw numbers btw" after my intial rupture for HFB my numbers show it was only 85 dps ahead on the one test i did. as i was running low on time Originally Posted by K4ge It does not outperform mongoose or berserking. go to ej.
but ya i could just go to EJ like the rest of the lemmings ur right.
or i could actually enjoy what i did and just post some info for those people that like myself may not have the time to spreadsheet the info
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2009-12-10,08:44 PM #12
The Lightbringer
Re: enchant black magic
you mean apart from the fact that a spreadsheet would take less time, effort and gold, as well as giving way more reliable results?
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2009-12-10,09:08 PM #13
High Overlord
Re: enchant black magic
less time? hmm enchanted in org in like 2 mins had mats and over 20k gold so thats not the problem, did it instead of scrolling through 2000 pages of useless crap at EJ. but its cool had the little bit of extra time on game the mats and the extra weapon so why not right? Originally Posted by K4ge you mean apart from the fact that a spreadsheet would take less time, effort and gold, as well as giving way more reliable results?
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2009-12-10,09:59 PM #14
Keyboard Turner
Re: enchant black magic
lol at person saying he has money and it takes less time...and scrolling through all crap when its on front page of rogues section if you click red button. "why not right?" becuz bad rogue needs to have his amazing spreadsheet in his mind.
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2009-12-10,10:17 PM #15
The Patient
Re: enchant black magic
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
Spreadsheets are proven math.Uther- Our bads are better than your bads.
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2009-12-11,02:12 AM #16
Blademaster
Re: enchant black magic
I recently enchanted my offhand with blackmagic and mainhand with mongoose. I noticed a huge dps increase and was able to sustain it over a double beserker enchant.
would anyone recommend putting beserker back on the MH or keeping mongoose.
Anyone else try black magic with any good output?
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2009-12-11,09:41 AM #17
Dreadlord
Re: enchant black magic
Show me a spreadsheet that has black magic as an enchant option and ill use it. The simple fact remains that 250 haste > 400 ap on a lot of peoples spreadsheets right now. Originally Posted by Ian Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
Spreadsheets are proven math.
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2009-12-11,10:19 AM #18
Awaited in Valhalla
Re: enchant black magic
35 second internal cooldown. Originally Posted by elapadrinar Show me a spreadsheet that has black magic as an enchant option and ill use it. The simple fact remains that 250 haste > 400 ap on a lot of peoples spreadsheets right now.
Mongoose/Berserking have no internal cooldown and can refresh themselves.
So 250 haste with a 22% uptime, or mongoose/berserking with closer to a 50% uptime?
If i gave you the option of choosing $2000 today, at once, or $50 a day for 100 days, which would you choose?
EDIT:
Also, you're kinda far over the ArP softcap. Might want to look into that.
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2009-12-11,12:08 PM #19
Dreadlord
Re: enchant black magic
1. I would choose $50 a day for 100days Originally Posted by Annoying 35 second internal cooldown.
Mongoose/Berserking have no internal cooldown and can refresh themselves.
So 250 haste with a 22% uptime, or mongoose/berserking with closer to a 50% uptime?
If i gave you the option of choosing $2000 today, at once, or $50 a day for 100 days, which would you choose?
EDIT:
Also, you're kinda far over the ArP softcap. Might want to look into that.
2. "Berserking uptime depends on your haste. In ilvl264 gear I am getting as much as 43% berserking uptime on the offhand and 63% uptime on the mainhand. So if you are going to replace anything, it would be offhand. On average Berserking on the offhand gives 400*43%=172 EP. A proc with 35 ICD, 15% chance to apply, and 10 second duration has uptime of 27%, so will result on average in 67 haste. Even if haste is 2 EP, Black Magic will give you 134 EP compared to 172 from Berserking." -EJ
Since I wasnt aware they were on different CD mechanics I will concede that Berserking is better than Black Magic. 22% vs 50% is a lot different then 27% vs. 43% in high ilvl haste gear.
3. Nice quip about my gemming choices.
4. 22% uptime on mjolnir = going over the ArP softcap is still a dps upgrade since the other 78% of the time I penetrate more armor. There is a point at which arp diminishes beyond the arp soft cap, but I am quite confident that its not 3% over.
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2009-12-11,12:15 PM #20
Warchief
Re: enchant black magic
Erm, no. Well yes 78% of the time you gain, but that means that additional Arp has 78% the EP of the point that brought you to softcap. After that it will slowly gain value again until hardcap bites, but at immediately after softcap you're at a local minimum of EP. Originally Posted by elapadrinar 4. 22% uptime on mjolnir = going over the ArP softcap is still a dps upgrade since the other 78% of the time I penetrate more armor. There is a point at which arp diminishes beyond the arp soft cap, but I am quite confident that its not 3% over.
At some point it may be worth dumping the Arp trinket and going for hardcap, but I'll be astonished if immediately after softcap Arp is still worth gemming.
Black Magic Weapon Enhanct Wow 3.3.5
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